Global Phenomenon Addressed: Fwd: [bangla-vision] RE: [TheAligarhForum] Indian Muslims Household Expenditure

Sunday, August 29, 2010

Fwd: [bangla-vision] RE: [TheAligarhForum] Indian Muslims Household Expenditure

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From: ayub mohammed <mdayyub@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:03 AM
Subject: [bangla-vision] RE: [TheAligarhForum] Indian Muslims Household Expenditure

U knows the expenditure of bangles and nail paints only, because you are such a useless fellow posted in the moderator's level. Dirty bull, is in the group of prestigious group of Indian Muslims. Useless fellow.

Ayub Mohammed

--- On Sat, 28/8/10, Razi Raziuddin <razi24@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Razi Raziuddin <razi24@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [TheAligarhForum] Indian Muslims Household Expenditure
To: "The Aligarh Forum The Aligarh Forum" <thealigarhforum@yahoogroups.com>, thegoodindians@yahoogroups.com, muslimindians@yahoogroups.com
Cc: aligarhnetwork@yahoogroups.com, "AMU Canada" <amucanada@yahoogroups.com>, "amuoba Riyad" <amuobariyadh@yahoogroups.com>, amuoba@yahoogroups.com, worldofaligs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 28 August, 2010, 7:41 PM

Ayub Khan Saheb & all,

ASAK,

Thanks for providing a more appropriate picture on Indian Muslims' spending/ economic conditions. It makes more sense.
I am sure a more detailed and independent study by others can provide more information on how Muslims across the
entire India are performing and living economically.

Arjun Sengupta Report is considered a required reading for anyone who wants to know the socio-economic status of Indians
including its Muslim community.

Now in the light of Kashif's and your postings, we should get engaged into a meaningful discussion on this most important subject
matter.

Thanks and regards.

wa-as-salam,

Razi

To: thegoodindians@yahoogroups.com; muslimindians@yahoogroups.com
CC: thegoodindians@yahoogroups.com
From: muslimindia2020@yahoo.ca
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:29:10 -0700
Subject: [TheAligarhForum] Indian Muslims Household Expenditure [1 Attachment]

[Attachment(s) from Mohammed Ayub Khan included below]

ASAK All,

The confusion regarding the expenditure is likely due to the interpretation of statistics which are always very complicated and not very clear. I am attaching the Arjun Sengupta Report on Conditions of Work and Promotion of Livelihoods in the Unorganized Sector. It uses the NSS 61st Round 2004-2005 and Employment-Unemployment Survey.

From this I have been able to deduce the following:

a. 84.5% of Indian Muslim Households do not spend not more than Rs. 609 per month or about Rs.20 per month.
b. 13.3% of Indian Muslim Households spend about Rs.1098 per month or Rs. 37 per day.
c. 2.2% of Indian Muslim Households are regarded as high category and spends Rs. 2776 per month or Rs. 93 per day.

I think these figures appear low if we confuse the wages/salaries with the per capita household expenditure. However, when we differentiate the two they get more meaningful.

The official definition DCPE used in these reports is defined by the World Bank as follows:
"The World Bank defines the extreme poverty line in low-income countries as roughly equivalent to $1 in daily per capita household expenditures (DPCE) adjusted for purchasing power parities (PPPs) and the poverty line in low-income countries as roughly $2 DPCE."

wassalaam,
Ayub Khan

From: kashif-ul-huda <kaaashif@gmail.com>
To: muslimindians@yahoogroups.com
Cc: thegoodindians@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 3:00:06 PM
Subject: [thegoodindians] Re: [muslimindians] spare some time for Muslims in India

salaam razi sahib,

I will send the report to those who request, sometime tomorrow.

for now, the table on this page has the information :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/94592664@N00/4816431830/in/set-72157623693322982/

data is based on National Sample Survey of 2004-5.

and I stand corrected, its 2.2% and not 3.

k.

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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Razi Raziuddin <razi24@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> " I beg you to spare some time for Muslims living in India. Let me remind you again that India has at least
> 150 million Muslims and only 3% of them have spending capacity of more than Rs. 3000/month
> which means 97% of them are very poor and as you very well know that even elite 3% also do
> not have any political power.........kashif"
> Kashif (& all),
> ASAK,
> Yes, we must focus more on Indian Muslims than the world Umma, which unfortunately most of us do.
> But on your other point, that only 3% of the 150 million Muslims have the capacity to spend not
> beyond Rs.3000, many among us will not be in agreement. Because it will mean that only 4.5 millions
> Indian Muslims have the earning of more than Rs.3000, and which can not possibly be true.
> There are many studies which do show that Muslims are behind Hindus economically, but this is too
> dark a picture. At the same time if one visits the big commercial hubs of Kanpur, Banaras, South
> Indian cities, Delhi, even places like Hyderabad, Aligarh, Azamgarh, Allahabad, Lucknow etc, one may
> be able to find out hundreds of thousands of regular kind of earning families among Muslims, large mohallas
> with multi-storied buildings, high rises, shops and bazaars. All these do tell us one thing; that
> though we are not in good shape economically,but we are not in such a bad shape. I bet only couple of these
> cities can come up with a total of a million or beyond with earnings of Muslims beyond and above Rs.10,000
> (I do not have a data, but 'am reasonably sure about it).
> However, since you are making such an assertion then there must be a reason with you. Therefore, please
> post that source of information depicting Muslims' earning and spending capacities in India.
> Thanks and regards.
> wa-as-salam,
> Razi
>
>
> > To: indianmuslims@yahoogroups.com; muslimindians@yahoogroups.com; thegoodindians@yahoogroups.com; aligarhnetwork@yahoogroups.com
> > From: kaaashif@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:41:29 -0400
> > Subject: [muslimindians] spare some time for Muslims in India
> >
> > The whole world of Muslim intelligentsia , including members of these
> > groups, engages passionately about Cordoba House in New York but I beg
> > you to spare some time for Muslims living in India. Please see the
> > report below:
> >
> > Attacks on religious freedom of minorities in Saharanpur
> >
> > http://twocircles.net/2010aug25/attacks_religious_freedom_minorities_saharanpur.html
> >
> > At the same time, Hate-monger Rithambara is moving across the US
> > raising funds for her evil work in India. Let me remind you again that
> > India has at least 150 million Muslims and only 3% of them have
> > spending capacity of more than Rs. 3000/month which means 97% of them
> > are very poor and as you very well know that even elite 3% also do not
> > have any political power.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > kashif
> >
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> > http://kaaashif.blogspot.com
> > http://www.TwoCircles.net
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
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Attachment(s) from Mohammed Ayub Khan

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arjun sengupta report.pdf