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From: The Himalayan Voice <himalayanvoice@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 12:15 AM
Subject: [NOW THE BUDDHA CALENDAR] THE "IDEA OF BHARAT-VARSH WAS ABSENT WHEN BUDDHA WAS BORN"- PROF. DASH
To: Shekhar Dhungel <shekhar1962@gmail.com>
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From: The Himalayan Voice <himalayanvoice@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 12:15 AM
Subject: [NOW THE BUDDHA CALENDAR] THE "IDEA OF BHARAT-VARSH WAS ABSENT WHEN BUDDHA WAS BORN"- PROF. DASH
To: Shekhar Dhungel <shekhar1962@gmail.com>
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Dear Shekharji,
Buddha's birth: 15 May 587 BCE Gregorian 21 May -586 Julian 6:15 am LMT Kapilavastu, Nepal 83e16 27n28 (I don't have coords for Lumbini yet) 0:41:56 UT 21:41:32
Agreed with what you have said below and supporting your proposal for adopting Buddha Calendar, posted below is Wayne Turner's date calculations of the major events in the Buddha's life. (The Himalayan Voice is unsure about the dates calculated.)
But there is always very little hope or 'no hope' that Nepal government will do anything significant !
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Buddha's birth: 15 May 587 BCE Gregorian 21 May -586 Julian 6:15 am LMT Kapilavastu, Nepal 83e16 27n28 (I don't have coords for Lumbini yet) 0:41:56 UT 21:41:32
LST JD 1507161.52912
Buddha leaves home: 15 June 558 BCE Gregorian 21 June -557 Julian 12 noon LMT Kapilavastu, Nepal 6:26:56 UT 5:29:37 LST JD 1517784.768704
Buddha's enlightenment 16 May 552 BCE Gregorian 22 May -551 Julian 4 am LMT Gaya, India 85e00 24n47 (Bodh Gaya will be slightly different) 22:20 UT 15 May Gregorain, 21 May Julian 19:32:08 LST JD 1519946.430556
Buddha turns Dharma Wheel 1 July 552 BCE Gregorian 7 July -551 Julian 3 pm LMT Benares, India 83e00 25n20 9:28 UT 9:35:19 LST JD 1519992.89444
Buddha's parinirvana 16 May 507 BCE Gregorian 22 May -506 Julian 9 am LMT Kapilavastu (no coords for Kusinara yet either) 3:26:56 UT 0:33:21 LST JD 1536382.643704
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On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Shekhar Dhungel <shekhar1962@gmail.com> wrote:
आदरणीय स्वाभिमानी नेपालीहरुमा नमस्कारआज जे हुदै छ त्यो दन्त्यकथाको को चितुवा आयो चितुवा आयो को कथा नियति हुने डर बढ्दै छ . अझ नेपाल को मुर्ख सत्ताधारी हरु ले बेतुक मा निकट भबिस्य मा निस्कन लागेको नया सय रुपिया को नोट मा अशोक स्तम्भ राखेको छ रे त्यहि आधार मा केहि महिना पहिले एउटा भारतीय पत्रिकाले लेखि सक्यो "अब देख्ने को मिलेगा हमारा अशोका स्तम्भ नेपाल का सौ का नोट मे "लेखि सक्यो .कतै त्यो अशोक स्तम्भ को आधारमा भारत ले त्यो ठाउ हाम्रो सम्राट अशोक ले राज्य गरेको भनेर भ्रम छर्ने ठाउ न् पाओस त्यो नोट को बहिस्कार गर्नु पर्छ नेपाल का "र "का एजेन्ट हरु नेपाल को सिमा मिचेको देखेर पनि चुप चाप हेरी रहेछन .जी टि भी को सो प्रशारणको बिरुद्ध नागरिक सडकमा आइ पुग्दा समेत सरकार लाचार वा बिमुख भएर आफ्नो भारत भक्ति भाब देखाई रहेको छ .
भोलि एक मधेष एक प्रदेश को माग पुरा भयो भने मधेष ले जनमत गरेर हामि भारत मा गाभिने भन सक्छ र बिहार का नक्कली नागरिक लेराएर ९०% को समर्थन जुटाउन सक्छ .उपेन्द्र यादब हरु फोटो सहित को मतदाता परिचय को बिस्वब्यापी मान्यता लाइ लत्याउदै बिना फोटो को मतदाता पत्रको माग गर्दै छन् प्रचण्ड हरु दिन तयार छन् .जाग्ने हामि नागरिक हो जागौ .र हाम्रो सार्बभौमसत्ता स्वाधिनता जोगाउन उठौ .नेपाल को राजनीतक शक्ति केन्द्र दिल्ही दरबार मा लगेर बुझाइ सकेका नेता र कठपुतली सरकार वाट आशा नगरौ आउनुस साच्चिकै गौतम बुद्ध का अनुयायी हौ कि आफ्नो बुज्रुग्याई को प्रचार मात्र आफुल्के आफु लाइ परिक्षण गरौ सर्ब प्रथम नेपाल को विक्रम सम्बत लाइ हटाएर बुद्ध सम्बत(क्यालेन्डर ) कायम गरौ यसको लागि अब संघर्ष गरौ र नेपाल को क्यालेन्डर मा बुद्ध सम्बत (२५५७ अहिले )लेखौ
दोस्रो बुद्ध जन्मेको देश का नागरिक हामि मा कति %बुद्धत्व छ आफ्नो आत्मा लाइ सोधौ ?प्रेम सदभाब अहिंसा त्याग सेवा शान्ति र मधुर र मिलनसार बोलि मा हामि अरु भन्दा कति अगाडी छौ ?त्यो देखाऊ ?इर्श्या आडम्बर द्वेष धुर्त्याई फट्याई लाइ छाडौहामीले भन्नै पर्दैन हाम्रो बोलि व्यवहार को सालिनता ले न भन्ने छ बुद्ध नेपाल मा जन्मेका हुन् त्यसैले नेपालीको आत्मा मा बुद्धत्व छर अन्तिम सत्य कुरो के छ भने UNOअन्तर्गत को unicef ले बिस्व सम्पदा सुचिमा नेपाल को नक्सा भित्र पारेर राखी सकेको बिस्वका अन्य बौद्ध धर्मालम्बी मुलुक हरु सबैले आ आफ्नो चैत्य (बुद्ध मन्दिर वा स्तुपा)बनाइ सकेको र धेरै अनुसन्धान पस्चात हाल को कपिलबस्तु लुम्बिनी नेपाल मा बुद्धको जन्म थलो भनेर प्रमाणित वा स्वीकार गरि सकेको अवस्था मा हामि आतिनु भने पर्दैन तर सालिन कुटनैतिक सक्रियता भने छाड्नु हुँदैनशुभ होस् शान्ति होस् जय होस्--On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 10:54 AM, The Himalayan Voice <himalayanvoice@gmail.com> wrote:
Prof. Kailash Chandra Dash spoke to us today from Odisha, India on the backdrop of new Zee TV serial - Buddha - and refuted the idea that Lumbini and Kapilvastu were in Bharat-Varsh and also argued "why not say Buddha was born in Lumbini, Nepal ?"
--The Himalayan VoiceCambridge, MassachusettsUnited States of AmericaSkype: thehimalayanvoice[THE HIMALAYAN VOICE does not endorse the opinions of the author or any opinions expressed on its pages. Articles and comments can be emailed to: himalayanvoice@gmail.com, © Copyright The Himalayan Voice 2013]On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 6:49 AM, The Himalayan Voice <himalayanvoice@gmail.com> wrote:
There was no country called India in Buddha's time. Bharat-Varsha comes in 'The Mahabharat', Adi parv "तस्माद भवत्व अयं नाम्ना भरतो नाम ते सुतः" But how old is The Mahabharat itself ? The Mahabharat is a mythology with no archaeological evidence.By 600 BC or later, there were 16 Mahajanapads (Kingdoms) in the present day Indian subcontinent.Can Indian government ban the TV Serial in discussion because it falsifies the archaeologically proven fact? Could Indian and Nepal governments work out together to developing trans-national Buddhist circuit to benefit their people ? (They might consider including other Asian countries such as: Thailand, Myanmar,etc. also.)The Himalayan VoiceCambridge, MassachusettsUnited States of AmericaSkype: thehimalayanvoice[THE HIMALAYAN VOICE does not endorse the opinions of the author or any opinions expressed on its pages. Articles and comments can be emailed to: himalayanvoice@gmail.com, © Copyright The Himalayan Voice 2013]
To Whom It May ConcernThe day we will start believing what TV serial and even movie makers are going to say about the absolute truth in distorted way way, our own intellect will be questioned by younger generation. No matter how many times and how loud fools speak that Bhagwan Budh was not born on the soil of current Nepal that would be nothing but an insult the Divine. If once current kingdom of Nepal was also part of Bharat-Varsh, which is indeed true, that logic brings Bhagwan Buddha being born in Bharat (not in India).As far as absolute truth is concerned, no Indian movie makers should pollute the truth and hurt the feelings of our fellow Hindu brothers & sisters in Nepal which is a country with it's own sovereignty.Dr. Kumar ArunIndia Heritage FoundationMichigan (USA)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 07:30:08 +0545
Subject: Re: " बुद्ध भारतमा जन्मेका" भनेर भोलि देखि नयाँ टेलिशृंखला आउन लागेको कुरो मिडियामा आएकोले फेब्रुअरी १४, २०१० र सेप्टेम्बर २३, २०१२ का पुराना लेखहरु आज पुनः पोष्ट गरिएको छ ।
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CC: mdapte2@gmail.com; kumar2786@hotmail.comI can not tolerate if some Pakistani produces film on Tirupati Balaji stating that it lies in Pakistan and Swamy Vivekananda was born in Pakistan.May our Bharateeya colleagues request their GoI, concerned producer and broadcaster to broadcast only the right information. How can one simple patriot Bharateeya friend tolerate the level of misinforming to the entire globe.Prayers !L BOn Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 3:52 AM, The Himalayan Voice <himalayanvoice@gmail.com> wrote:
" बुद्ध भारतमा जन्मेका" भनेर भोलिदेखि नयाँ टेलिशृंखला आउन लागेको कुरो मिडियामा आएकोले फेब्रुअरी १४, २०१० र सेप्टेम्बर २३, २०१२ का पुराना लेखहरु आज पुनः पोष्ट गरिएको छ ।
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February 14, 2010
September 23, 2012
--The Himalayan VoiceCambridge, MassachusettsUnited States of AmericaSkype: thehimalayanvoice[THE HIMALAYAN VOICE does not endorse the opinions of the author or any opinions expressed on its pages. Articles and comments can be emailed to: himalayanvoice@gmail.com, © Copyright The Himalayan Voice 2013]Dear Rana Ji,Thank you so much quick reply. Your valuable suggestions are always welcome. I agree those who know deeper about it will certainly help to aid to reach our goal. Neither I am an expert on this. The Objective could be two-folds.1. To let the people around the world know about Lumbini ant Nepal more aggressively and help attract tourism destination.2. To help establish the historic evidence and try remove those misconception that has been rolling around in news and publication. I truly believe we cannot completely eradicate and those historic evidences keep on rolling with further evidences. But let us hope for success.Also, may help Nepalese folks living in the US be more pro-active on this issue.Our proposition too is something out of little we have.Maitreya !Kishore Sherchand
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From: B. K. Rana & Langhali Pariwar Cambridge <langhalipariwarcambridge@gmail.com>
To: Kishore Sherchand PhD <ksherchand@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: National Committee
Kishoreji,
Unless people discuss this issue more academically, forming volunteer chapters/committees may be limited only in Facebook pages with lesser desired effects, no doubt. I have no idea whether authors have changed their minds at all.People talk of Farid Zakaria ( The PostAmerican World) only. Why would they do so? Why only him (There are many others out there: Charles Allen, Prof. Harry Falk, Terrence Phelps and certainly also Wayne Dyer etc.)? Zakaria had communicated with me in 2009 but didn't really seem changing his mind so to say. His book is now reprinted 3 times: 2008, 2009 and 2011 ( I have not yet seen the later editions).
I think K. M. Shrivastav's Pipirahawa find is something to note here. Has Nepal excavated anything recently other than Shakya token (sa-ka-na-sya) from Tilaurakot ? Did you have a chance to watch "Bones of the Buddha (May, 2013)" in National Geographic Channel ?Also please check below : NUMERICAL DISCOURSES OF THE BUDDHANamaste,
--________________________________________B. K. Rana & Langhali Pariwar Cambridge,Cambridge, Massachusetts,United States of AmericaEmail:<langhalipariwarcambridge@gmail.com>,Facebook: http://facebook.com/Langhalifriendsforum
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___________________________________________________________________" If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu, Minister of Louis XIII(Qu'on me donne six lignes écrites de la main du plus honnête homme, j'y trouverai de quoi le faire pendre.)
NUMERICAL DISCOURSES OF THE BUDDHA BHIKKHU NYANATUSITA
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August 30, 2013, 8:14 pm
The long awaited new translation by Bhikkhu Bodhi of the complete Anguttara Nikaya, called Numerical Discourses of the Buddha, is now available in Sri Lanka. It is distributed by the Buddhist Publication Society, Kandy, as an inexpensive Sri Lanka only edition in cooperation with Wisdom Publications, USA.
The Anguttara Nikaya or Collection of Numerical Discourses is the fourth of the major collections (nikaya) of discourses (suttas) of the Buddha, the first part of the Pali Buddhist Canon, the Tipitaka. In this Numerical Discourses, the discourses are systematically arranged according to the number of topics they contain, which run from one to eleven, that is, the first book, the book of ones, only contains discourses with one topic, while the discourses in the book of elevens contain eleven topics.
The topics are wide-ranging, from basic morality and family life, to the different stages of enlightenment, and the highest attainments of concentration and insight meditation. The Anguttara Nikaya is distinctive in that many of the discourses deal with the different kinds of persons—good and bad, wise and unwise—and in that many discourses are addressed to laypeople. An example of both is the remarkable discourse on the seven different kinds of wives, by which the Buddha disciplined Sujata, Anathapindika's rowdy daughter-in-law. The Anguttara Nikaya discourses also contain many wonderful similes that elucidate the teachings, such as the simile of the goldsmith, in which the purification of mind is likened to gold smith purifying gold so that it become malleable and bright.
As the Anguttara Nikaya contains more than 2300 discourses, which are not thematically arranged, it can be difficult to find one's way in the collection. Fortunately, accessibility is made easy by the detailed thematic outline, extensive introduction, notes, and indices that Bhikkhu Bodhi meticulously prepared.
The translator, Bhikkhu Bodhi, is an American Buddhist monk. He was editor and president of the Buddhist Publication Society for many years and has many publications to his credit, either as translator, editor or contributor. He is the founder and chairperson of Buddhist Global Relief.
The BPS also makes available inexpensive, Sri Lanka only editions of other landmark translations of the Buddha's Discourses published in Teachings of the Buddha series: Middle Length Discourses of the Buddha (Majjhima Nikaya) translated by Bhikkhu Nyanamoli and Bhikkhu Bodhi, Connected Discourses of the Buddha (Samyutta Nikaya) translated by Bhikkhu Bodhi, and Long Discourses of the Buddha (Digha Nikaya), translated by Maurice Walshe.
These books contain the most authentic, trustworthy, and essential teachings of the Buddha and they therefore should be part of every Buddhist library.
The books can be obtained from the Buddhist Publication Society in Kandy (www.bps.lk) or from the Buddhist Cultural Centre in Colombo.
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Kishore Sherchand <ksherchand@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Nepalese Brothers and SistersUSASince last month we especially with Chinkaji Shrestha from Bay Area of CA were trying to discuss the possibility of establishing a national committee (CA Chapter) on the distorted news of the birthplace of our historic figure Shakyamuni Gautam Buddha created by some Indian groups and also letting the world know this historic truth and requesting to make necessary correction. Many countries have already established the National Committee (Chapter) but The United States is still falling behind on this issue. The Global Coordinator Mr. Ram Kumar Shrestha has done a lot so we feel deemed necessary. We certainly would like to seek the esteemed cooperation of our talented scholars living in the United States. We are proposing a California Chapter to register with an ad-hoc committee soon, also requesting you to do the same in your respective states wherever possible and seek your help to strengthen the proposed "The National Chapter" to come on.We are still on the process of discussing this proposal and seek your advice on its modality.At this moment I am sending to you whom I was in touch on some Nepal issues in the past. That does not mean that others are excluded. Please forward this proposal to others too.I therefore extend our request to you to send your opinion on this proposal.Maitreya !Kishore SherchandCA
From: Kishore Sherchand <ksherchand@yahoo.com>
To: "shresthachinkaji@hotmail.com" <shresthachinkaji@hotmail.com>
Cc: Tilak Shrestha <tilakbs@hotmail.com>; Vidhu Kayastha <vidhukayastha@yahoo.com>; Dr. Bishnu Nepal <bhnfsr@gmail.com>; Kamal Malla <kamal.malla@gmail.com>; Manju Magar <manjumagar92@gmail.com>; Ram B. Chhetri <rambchhetri@hotmail.com>; B. K. Rana & Langhali Pariwar Cambridge <langhalipariwarcambridge@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:06 PM
Subject: National Committee
Chinkaji Ji,These are few experts whom I know in my correspondence besides in Bay area.Kishore Sherchand
Kishoreji,The Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland has different version which I have also discussed in my 2010 paper.
And, a renowned historian Vincent A. Smith has a full page picture of the pillar in his book 'The Early History of India, From 600 B. C. to Muhammadan Conquest' – Oxford at the Clarendon Press (1914) that seem to be justifying the journal version.
A researcher, Terence A. Phelps from London, UK argued in 2010 that the "Lumbini Ashokan inscription bears 'one Kharoshti letter' which also warrants our attention." He was also talking of Paderia inscription.
The sad part of it is that we have very few materials published(mostly half dealt or not well discussed) from Nepal.Thank you all,--________________________________________B. K. Rana & Langhali Pariwar Cambridge,Cambridge, Massachusetts,United States of AmericaEmail:<langhalipariwarcambridge@gmail.com>,Facebook: http://facebook.com/Langhalifriendsforum
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___________________________________________________________________" If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu, Minister of Louis XIII(Qu'on me donne six lignes écrites de la main du plus honnête homme, j'y trouverai de quoi le faire pendre.)On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Kishore Sherchand <ksherchand@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank you so much for all of this. I think this stamp came before too.Yet, one thing is still hanging around. Just to remind, The foremost and primary source of information that came Buddha was born in Lumbini, Nepal and also that led to excavate the Ashokan pillars are coming from those two Chinese Monks Fa Xian and Hsüan-tsang.I was told by one Indian computer scientist/Buddhist scholar that those Ashokan pillers were just lying on the ground for tying up their cattle and remained unattended until recently. The first hand information that led to all excavations in India are coming from those two Chinese monks's writing preserved in China. I believe the same is the case for Lumbini. Do we count ?That is why, I guess Nehru and Amedkar inspired to lay the statue of Hsüan-tsang somewhere inNalanda, Vulturepeak, Sarnath or Bodhgaya. We can find out. Where is in Nepal?
The recently released Documentary "Journey of Heart Sutra" is dedicated to the memory of " Xuanzang (Hsüan-tsang)" The Heart Sutra is the most basic tenet of Mahayana Buddhism that explains Emptiness (Sunnyata).I will soon try to make avail of this film where journey of Hsüan-tsang is narrated and Lumbini.Maitreya !Kishore Sherchand
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Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:36 PM
Subject: ON THE ASHOKAN PILLAR
Gentleman,Praise be Dr. Ramesh Kumar Shrestha for such a superb creation. The illustration does resemble a postage stamp indeed. However I don't think the postage stamp has been officially released by the Postal Department today (which means till today). The price of the mint stamp is not disclosed; nor did I come across its First Day Cover in the sales cum show room in "Nepal Philatelic Bureau" owned by the Government of Nepal. It is up to you and Mr. Shyam Prasad Pradhan of Nepal Philatelic Society to clarify the situation incurred at hand. It is pretty apparent that Mr. Tilak Bahadur Shrestha, Ph.D. hasn't understood the specific situation either. It is the governmental authority who decides the relevant prices of the postage stamp plus the First Day Cover. We have no right to intrude into the formal matter at all.With fervent regards and modest greetings. Thanking you, I remain ---Faithfully yours,Amrit Ratna TuladharTourism EntrepreneurKantipur, NEPAL----- Original Message -----From: Tilak ShresthaSent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:32 p.m.Subject: RE: THE ASHOKAN PILLARAmrit Ju,
Jwajalapa!
Thanks a lot for illustrating such a historical stamp.
Appreciated very much.
Tilak Shrestha
Shekhar Dhungel (शेखर ढुंगेल)
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